Comments on: Crossing the Line at SMX Give It Up? http://www.sempdx.org/blog/events/crossing-the-line-at-smx-give-it-up/ Thu, 11 Mar 2010 00:29:22 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Gary Pool http://www.sempdx.org/blog/events/crossing-the-line-at-smx-give-it-up/comment-page-1/#comment-2555 Gary Pool Fri, 11 Jul 2008 13:53:07 +0000 http://www.sempdx.org/?p=382#comment-2555 Typical Scott Hendison, I love it. Thanks Scott for your insightful report. Scott great way to give a report on the topic "give it up" with a give it up attitude. ;-) Typical Scott Hendison, I love it. Thanks Scott for your insightful report. Scott great way to give a report on the topic “give it up” with a give it up attitude. ;-)

]]> By: Andrew Shotland http://www.sempdx.org/blog/events/crossing-the-line-at-smx-give-it-up/comment-page-1/#comment-2524 Andrew Shotland Mon, 07 Jul 2008 23:46:11 +0000 http://www.sempdx.org/?p=382#comment-2524 Credit where credit is due: It was actually Todd Friesen who recommended using Google's removal tool for reputation management. Re Rob's talk - I don't remember seeing a lot of mouth's open. I remember seeing a lot of note taking :) Credit where credit is due: It was actually Todd Friesen who recommended using Google’s removal tool for reputation management.

Re Rob’s talk – I don’t remember seeing a lot of mouth’s open. I remember seeing a lot of note taking :)

]]> By: Scott Hendison http://www.sempdx.org/blog/events/crossing-the-line-at-smx-give-it-up/comment-page-1/#comment-2523 Scott Hendison Mon, 07 Jul 2008 23:03:08 +0000 http://www.sempdx.org/?p=382#comment-2523 Thanks Rob, and no, not uncomfortable at all. I just thought perhaps you really did too good a job of "Giving it up" ;) - I enjoyed every minute of it, and look forward to hearing you again sometime... If I'm lucky, perhaps it will be in in one of those smaller gatherings. Thanks Rob, and no, not uncomfortable at all. I just thought perhaps you really did too good a job of “Giving it up” ;) –

I enjoyed every minute of it, and look forward to hearing you again sometime… If I’m lucky, perhaps it will be in in one of those smaller gatherings.

]]> By: evilgreenmonkey http://www.sempdx.org/blog/events/crossing-the-line-at-smx-give-it-up/comment-page-1/#comment-2522 evilgreenmonkey Mon, 07 Jul 2008 22:51:38 +0000 http://www.sempdx.org/?p=382#comment-2522 I appreciate your viewpoints on my presentation and apologies if any of it made you uncomfortable. When drawing up points to discuss, I always try to consider the ramifications of what I might say. In this case I didn't feel that any other internet marketers would be negatively effected by releasing this information, and that the matters discussed were simple enough to be of use to someone looking to try more innovative off-brand ideas. Alas, my darker techniques are saved up for discussion in smaller gatherings. All I can say is, everyone seemed to have fun in the session and actually came away with juicy information, whether they choose to act on it is up to them. I appreciate your viewpoints on my presentation and apologies if any of it made you uncomfortable. When drawing up points to discuss, I always try to consider the ramifications of what I might say.

In this case I didn’t feel that any other internet marketers would be negatively effected by releasing this information, and that the matters discussed were simple enough to be of use to someone looking to try more innovative off-brand ideas. Alas, my darker techniques are saved up for discussion in smaller gatherings.

All I can say is, everyone seemed to have fun in the session and actually came away with juicy information, whether they choose to act on it is up to them.

]]> By: Lisa Williams http://www.sempdx.org/blog/events/crossing-the-line-at-smx-give-it-up/comment-page-1/#comment-2518 Lisa Williams Mon, 07 Jul 2008 19:20:28 +0000 http://www.sempdx.org/?p=382#comment-2518 As search marketers we are trying to help our clients implement strategies in support of an algorithm we can't entirely know. If you're looking for absolutes, go be a mathematician. We don't have full transparency into any engine algorithm (nature of the beast) so there is a need, as in most things in life, for faith. Apply the right efforts, with the right intention and trust (based on past experience) that it will gain you the right results. As you said, "What did you expect?" As search marketers we are trying to help our clients implement strategies in support of an algorithm we can’t entirely know. If you’re looking for absolutes, go be a mathematician. We don’t have full transparency into any engine algorithm (nature of the beast) so there is a need, as in most things in life, for faith. Apply the right efforts, with the right intention and trust (based on past experience) that it will gain you the right results. As you said, “What did you expect?”

]]> By: Ben Lloyd http://www.sempdx.org/blog/events/crossing-the-line-at-smx-give-it-up/comment-page-1/#comment-2517 Ben Lloyd Mon, 07 Jul 2008 19:16:12 +0000 http://www.sempdx.org/?p=382#comment-2517 Good recap Scott. We also posted a recap of the SMX "Give It Up" session on our blog. http://www.amplify-interactive.com/blog/2008/07/03/seo-secrets/ Good recap Scott. We also posted a recap of the SMX “Give It Up” session on our blog. http://www.amplify-interactive.com/blog/2008/07/03/seo-secrets/

]]> By: Marty http://www.sempdx.org/blog/events/crossing-the-line-at-smx-give-it-up/comment-page-1/#comment-2516 Marty Mon, 07 Jul 2008 19:15:56 +0000 http://www.sempdx.org/?p=382#comment-2516 Great notes...For sure there are 2 different values to link exchanges: traffic/promotion and Google juice. Our clients’ link partners sometimes don’t understand the difference. It’s not our job to explain…still we go to lengths to be up and up by explaining beyond the call of duty. All conversation about naive trading partners aside, we inform them by specifically writing prior to encourage review of the written policy. THEN we write again to encourage questions regarding linking policies. There is a point where it’s just not our problem if they don’t get it. If our client agrees to a link exchange with sites that do no have near as much authority as our clients’(often), we have no issues with equalizing the arrangement by handling both nodes of link value separately.Traffic we send is worth more than the link juice they give us often anyway. No cash changes hands. No links are sold or bought. No guidelines are trampled. Google can’t have it both ways…either the value of a link is cut in half and we can share each half as we please, or let’s scrap NoFollow. Not understanding the division of link values is why clients need to hire SEOs like you. Regarding "Soy Candle." It was a coincidence. :) We have 1 inch think NDA agreements with clients for which we develop corporate ambassador avatars. Soy candle was make believe. I will say regarding the candy-ass furor surrounding the social profile aspect of my Give it up presentation: The problem is NOT fake avatars. The problem is fake avatars who are not committed, valuable, contributing, and holistic members of any community. Yeah...like everyone uses their own exact name and NEVER tries anything affinities on for size. L O FLIPPING L. This is truly a tempest in a teapot. Thanks for seeing through the tree hugger barf. Great notes…For sure there are 2 different values to link exchanges: traffic/promotion and Google juice.

Our clients’ link partners sometimes don’t understand the difference. It’s not our job to explain…still we go to lengths to be up and up by explaining beyond the call of duty.

All conversation about naive trading partners aside, we inform them by specifically writing prior to encourage review of the written policy. THEN we write again to encourage questions regarding linking policies. There is a point where it’s just not our problem if they don’t get it.

If our client agrees to a link exchange with sites that do no have near as much authority as our clients’(often), we have no issues with equalizing the arrangement by handling both nodes of link value separately.Traffic we send is worth more than the link juice they give us often anyway.

No cash changes hands. No links are sold or bought. No guidelines are trampled. Google can’t have it both ways…either the value of a link is cut in half and we can share each half as we please, or let’s scrap NoFollow.

Not understanding the division of link values is why clients need to hire SEOs like you.

Regarding “Soy Candle.” It was a coincidence. :) We have 1 inch think NDA agreements with clients for which we develop corporate ambassador avatars. Soy candle was make believe.

I will say regarding the candy-ass furor surrounding the social profile aspect of my Give it up presentation: The problem is NOT fake avatars. The problem is fake avatars who are not committed, valuable, contributing, and holistic members of any community.

Yeah…like everyone uses their own exact name and NEVER tries anything affinities on for size. L O FLIPPING L. This is truly a tempest in a teapot. Thanks for seeing through the tree hugger barf.

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